Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, Harris’s pick, is a charismatic speaker who doesn’t suffer fools gladly.

But the debate moderators, Norah O’Donnell and Margaret Brennan, will be more than up to the challenge.

O’Donnell, in particular, comes from a family who knows all about hard work.

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She also recently learned that she’s the granddaughter and great-granddaughter of some very hardy and daring grandparents.

Among them was her grandfather, Edward O’Kane, a 27-year-old farmer looking for opportunities in the new world.

Somehow, O’Kane managed to escape detection for 16 years and he subsequently established the family line in America.

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He left behind a 19-year-old widow, Sarah, and their nine children.

Eventually, Mary boarded a ship to America, with no idea of where she might live or work.